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Thanks so much for having me.

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My name's Sian.

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I am the Internal Communications Manager

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at Essential Energy,

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and I'm gonna talk about some learnings and improvements

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that we've made to our intranet,

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which is called EssentialNet.

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Here's just kind of an overview slide about us,

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but I think for me, the key takeaway from this slide

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is about how dispersed our organisation is,

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like in geographical terms, also in terms of age,

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and then in terms of technology as well.

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So we really do have to be mobile first

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with all of our solutions

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and just make things as easy as possible

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because our people don't have a lot of time.

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We are also an exceptionally teeny tiny team.

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So there's only three of us doing internal comms

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and only one person in my team, Michelle,

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who's on the call as well,

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is solely focused on the intranet.

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So we really have a lot of work to do

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with not a lot of people and not a lot of budget.

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So basically our vision for our intranet

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is that it's a healthy single source of truth

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filled with relevant up-to-date content,

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good metadata that has good hygiene,

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it's easy to use and well-governed.

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We're not there yet, we're getting there,

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but a lot of what we use to help us make decisions

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around this is our SWOOP Analytics dashboard.

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So in particular, we pay attention to the top content.

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So what pages are people clicking on?

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What news is resonating?

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What are the hotspots on our intranet,

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the pieces of content that are really popular?

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What people are trying to find but can't,

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and this is a really important piece for us

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that we look at regularly so we can kind of

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evolve the intranet and make tweaks.

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We also look at our content health signals

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such as our health score,

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and we look at the behaviour panels.

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So we have a lot of glances in our intranet,

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which means we don't have their attention for very long.

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So every second on there really has to count.

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So now I'll just go through some of the improvements

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that we've made.

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Excuse me.

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Sorry.

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For each, I'll talk about what the problem was

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that we were trying to solve,

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how we solved it, and what the result has been.

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So the first problem that we had,

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which might be common to people

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who have SharePoint intranets,

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is that our search function actually pulled up content

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from the entire SharePoint ecosystem.

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So it wasn't just limited to what was on the scoped sites

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that make up our intranet.

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So that was one of our biggest complaints.

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Like I'm trying to find something that's on the intranet,

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and I'm also getting stuff from drives

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that I have access to that I don't really need.

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We had tried a couple of times to refine our search,

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but because our intranet architecture was quite,

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so it was spread out over nine hubs,

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we actually couldn't implement scoped search.

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So we shifted our intranet architecture.

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We changed to a single hub and spoke model,

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and then we were able to sort of re-scope search

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to focus only on content that truly lives

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on a central net.

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And this has led to a reduction in complaints, importantly,

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but also we have less need to rely

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on kind of IT intervention.

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So what we used to have them do was say,

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okay, if someone types in this keyword,

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can you kind of artificially pin this page as a result?

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And it was a way that we kind of worked

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around some legacy architecture and also the search issue.

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So that's been a huge improvement,

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didn't cost anything to do,

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did need a bit of rejigging,

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but has been really successful and had good results.

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Next to that, and at the same time,

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we also refreshed our structure

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and our navigation importantly.

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So here's a hot tip,

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never structure your intranet around your organisation

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or your corporate structure,

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because it inevitably moves on through restructures,

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through team changes, shifts, et cetera.

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And it's much harder to move an intranet

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that's been set up that way.

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So at the top,

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you can see how our intranet navigation used to run.

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So there was, you really had to basically know

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what you were looking for to be able to find it.

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There was a lot of assumed knowledge,

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like does that team sit under health and safety?

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Is it in assets or is it in engineering?

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And people really couldn't find things,

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they relied on bookmarks.

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And between that and the bad search experience,

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we had a lot of helpful feedback about our intranet.

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So what we did was put together

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a really killer business case for a little bit of budget

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to work with an external agency

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who sat down and did a lot of qualitative

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and quantitative research

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with a broad cross section of our staff.

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We also used SWOOP to look at

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what the most popular content was,

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because we knew we had to make that accessible

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right away in the new navigation.

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And we also really tried to break this idea

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that because the team that looks after this

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sits in this team,

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it shouldn't go where someone might intuitively look for it.

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So you can see in that kind of second snippet,

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what we changed it to.

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So we reduced it from nine to six.

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And it also, it makes things a lot easier.

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We once again, get fewer complaints.

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We also changed it so that it goes three levels deep.

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So really, people can find a lot of stuff

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very, very quickly without any need

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to know how our business is structured.

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They just go to intuitively

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where they would look for that piece of content

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and they can find it.

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The next one.

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So we had an area that was kind of on fire for us,

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which was our news.

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So a lot of projects are happening

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at any one time within our business.

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And we'll often have people who are with the business

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for a short amount of time

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to communicate about a specific project.

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They might be tasked with communicating about it,

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but it's not necessarily a skillset that they have

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or an area where they feel comfortable.

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So we ended up with a lot of very long news

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that kind of didn't spell out to people

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why it was important that they understand

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what the news was,

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or like it didn't spell out the what's in it for me

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for our people.

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So we have co-pilot enabled at Essential Energy.

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We trained an agent and we gave it every piece of content

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that we were previously kind of throwing

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at our publishers and editors and expecting them to digest.

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And instead we made it the job of the AI agent

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to digest all of that.

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So our style guide, our corporate narrative,

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all of our news best practices.

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everything like that, all of the advice that we have.

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And we've just got three simple prompts there

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that you can see.

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So we just get them to paste in their rough and ready notes.

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And what this does is spit back out

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a really good first draft.

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So obviously it needs human intervention,

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but it will make sure that there's a catchy headline

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that's only a few words.

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It will make sure that there's a crisp summary

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so that people can understand at a glance

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what the news is about.

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It won't go longer than 250 words

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and it will really go hard on why this is important

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to our people.

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So that's made a huge change for us,

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a big improvement in our news.

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And at the same time, we also introduced a news template.

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So this was another thing that was free to do.

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So we developed these templates

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and one of the biggest changes that we added

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was of course we knew from SWOOP

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that we got a shockingly small amount of people's time

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when they were looking at our news.

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So we kind of hard coded into the template

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the need for a summary and it is a true summary.

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So it's not just an intro.

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It is supposed to be that if you read these 40 words or less,

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you completely understand what this news item is about

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and why it relates to you.

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if you have more time or if it's a topic

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that you're interested in.

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It also helped us create a bit of a visual distinction

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between news and other content

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because we had nothing that visually defined news

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or differentiated it from our pages of content.

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It was hard for people to know at a glance previously

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if they were looking at news or a bit of content.

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So this also helped with that.

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There's also compulsory fields around who to contact,

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how long it takes to read this news item

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and when it was published.

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So that's been a huge improvement for us.

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It's also saved our team a lot of time

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along with the AI news agents.

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So we really have to spend a lot less of our time

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helping people with news

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when that was previously a massive drain on our resources.

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We also have, so EssentialNet is made up of 63 sites.

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This is how we inherited it.

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consolidate content.

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But there was no approval for a flow

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on any of our pages or any of our sites.

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whatever they wanted in there.

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And obviously, people have different skillsets

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and sometimes the skillset

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of the people building these pages

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was not necessarily usability, user experience,

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making things concise.

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So it had really become like a Wild West

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with mega cities of content across various sites.

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There were poor quality content,

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information spread across many pages

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when it could have been one, et cetera.

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So this was, once again, another free thing for us to set up.

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And it's just really good governance.

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So we use Power Automate to set an approvals flow

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on every single one of our sites.

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we set up a rotating roster of approvals.

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So every single time that someone updates content,

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adds news, publishes news, publishes a page,

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it goes straight to us.

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And then we decided among ourselves,

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what's the criteria which makes a parcel fail?

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And we have that kind of visibility

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and that governance over everything.

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And that also means that every piece of content

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on our intranet has been through at least two sets of eyes.

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And then Michelle has also,

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she runs a monthly meeting for all of our publishers.

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She'll keep track of what's been some of the common errors

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that we've seen come through the approvals flow.

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And she'll deliver a tailored set of training

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based around common rejections for that month

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so that we continuously improve that cohort as well.

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We also had an issue on EssentialNet

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that you could publish a news item

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and it lived rent-free forever on our intranet.

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So it was never ever archived.

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So it caused a lot of confusion

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because it would pop up in search results.

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People wouldn't be sure, is that initiative still running?

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Is that safety advice still current?

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There was just kind of no way to sort out

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what was current and relevant to what was a legacy.

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So we set up an archive flow.

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So once news is older than 18 months,

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it gets swept into a little folder

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and then pushed completely off EssentialNet.

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So it's there and accessible to editors and publishers

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if we have to meet any,

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for instance, regulatory requirements

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or we have legal obligations to keep the content.

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So it's still accessible, just not to our users.

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It doesn't pop up in search results.

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It doesn't kind of muddy the waters

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and it makes sure that our content and our news

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are just what is most recent.

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And our SWOOP dashboard came in very handy there as well

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because we could point to the fact

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that legacy news was being accessed

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and that it was confusing for our people.

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So we got IT support to kind of help set up that flow

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and push everything off the intranet that was legacy.

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We also used AI for what for us was a really novel use.

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So we have a lot of content being published frequently

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on our intranet by a lot of people across all of those sites.

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So those 63 sites I mentioned earlier,

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they're all sites that can be published from.

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And we had the problem that news was rolling through

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on our homepage really quickly,

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sometimes not even spending a day on there.

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And we had, as probably a lot of you have,

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our homepage set up with the Hero web part.

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So we had just kind of five images and five links.

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What we decided to do was trim that down

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and use editorial cards instead of the Hero web part.

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At any one time, we're only showing three top news

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and we can also give a little bit of context

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and framing to that news

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instead of just a picture and a headline.

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So we used this where we built the editorial guide

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after literally a full day conversation with Copilot,

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talking to it about our challenges, goals, company strategy,

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key projects, values, et cetera.

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We popped all that knowledge into an agent

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and now we say, hey, here's the headline

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and here's the summary.

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Where should we surface this content?

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Is it tier one?

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Does everyone need to know it?

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Is it tier two?

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Is it just sort of nice to know?

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And is it tier three?

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Maybe that's something that's relevant

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just to a particular project or a particular team.

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And that really helps remove our biases

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because of course we all have topics

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that are really dear to us

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or stakeholders that we have strong relationships with.

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This helps us kind of, we make the final decision

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but it really does give us some solid grounding

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for those decisions.

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And it's not just for EssentialNet,

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it's also for our Viva Connections dashboard,

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our Roundup newsletter that we send out once a week.

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So anywhere where we have to make decisions,

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tough decisions about what content gets priority,

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we use this AI agent.

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So there's some of the things that we've done

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on like the sniff of an oily rag

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with very few people are really like skeleton staff

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to make some huge improvements to our intranet.

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Of course, everything didn't go smoothly right away.

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So for the approval flow,

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it did elevate the content quality across the intranet

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and really helped improve that.

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But as our stakeholders got used to it

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and as we ourselves as a team of three got used to it,

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it did slow things down.

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What I might just wave through somebody else in the team

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might say, no, no, hang on,

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I think we need to pull that up

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and make some adjustments to it.

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So we've kind of worked among ourselves

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to get a pattern and a rhythm to what goes through

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and what doesn't,

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and we don't let perfect be the enemy of good,

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but we have still managed to raise the quality

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and also have oversight of what's being built

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on our intranet.

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The news template, this was a little bit hard at first

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because what our publishers would often do

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is just go to an old news item and then copy it.

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So it was very hard to get them in the beginning

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to get used to using the news template.

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We supported that rollout by making it,

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so it's pinned as the first thing.

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So if you go create a new news item,

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the first thing that comes up is the news template.

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And we also rolled out a folder of assets

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to every single site on EssentialNet

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that had common logos, icons, and imagery.

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So we really supported the uptake of that.

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And the template itself kind of prompts

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for all the bits and pieces that you need

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for a good news item.

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So it's got instructions within it.

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The new navigation removed a lot of reliance

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on kind of assumed knowledge,

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but we've got a lot of people

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who've been with Essential Energy for a long time

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and they'd gotten used to things being in a certain place.

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So there was a little bit of confusion

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when some of that changed, oh, I beg your pardon.

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But we, and we did actually over-communicate,

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I would say, the new navigation,

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but still there's always teething issues.

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The globalised search worked really well,

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but it, and when I say globalised,

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so actually re-scoped probably

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is a better way to phrase that.

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It also highlighted the fact that

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now that they were only surfacing content on EssentialNet,

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it was bringing up a lot of subpar content on EssentialNet.

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So that's kind of where our next focus area is.

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But it's definitely reduced the number of complaints

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that we've gotten,

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and it works much more smoothly for our people.

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And the AI writing guide,

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it's made things so much smoother and easier for us

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and also for our stakeholders.

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But it did, in the beginning, hallucinate.

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It wrote essays, it missed nuance,

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it went off the rails a couple of times,

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but every time we just kind of went under the hood,

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tweaked the instructions to make them a little bit tighter.

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And over time, it's really become kind of a go-to tool.

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It's never gonna be perfect.

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It's a co-pilot, not autopilot, as we always say,

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but it has really helped our people

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not be staring at a blank page

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or have to spend a lot of time thinking

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how they could write something.

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So they were our learnings,

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and we can see that our health score is elevating,

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we can see that engagement is increasing.

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We still do have a long way to go

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and we've got a lot of what's next,

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but I'll just stop there and answer any questions

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because I think I'm getting pretty close to time.

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So that's it.

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Stop sharing.

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No, that's perfect.

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You're spot on, Sian.

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I think, oh, Fran, did you have a question you wanted to-

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Sorry, I was just very happy

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and I wanted to do a reaction

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and I just put my hand up there,

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but I'm thrilled with the concession

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that I've been granted.

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On that note, thank you, Sian.

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Thank you so much for sharing such practical insights.

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I can see everyone in the chat are just so stoked

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to have all of this information.

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So we really appreciate you bringing it all together.

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At the same time,

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we have some really great questions that are coming through.

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So I might just start with a really simple, practical one,

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just so that we're all on the same page.

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Great feedback on the news writer, of course.

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Did you need to pitch for co-pilot licensing costs

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or did you already have co-pilot licenses?

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So Essential Energy rolled out co-pilot last year

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and there was a big push for uptake.

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It was only two particular segments of the business,

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but our area was one of the places

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that picked it up really quickly and ran with it.

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So no, it was something that digital services

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had already made the decision to roll out,

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which was very lucky for us.

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Perfect, got it.

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And just a question as well around the approval processes.

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So for your approval process for every time,

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oh, sorry, is your approval process

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for every time a page is published,

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how do you deal with repeated submissions

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or small changes, for example, fixing a link or a typo?

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We just wave them straight through,

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but yes, it is for everything.

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So the limitation of setting up approval flows

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in SharePoint is that it's either everything or nothing.

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So we kind of weighed up those costs

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and decided we would rather see everything.

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So there is actually a comment submission box.

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So when people submit it for approval,

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they can type in the little comments box,

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like just added a link or updated something.

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And we've kind of mandated that they tell us

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what this change is about or what this page is about.

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So that makes it a lot easier to just hit accept.

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Fantastic, thanks, Sian.

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And then I guess just in terms of some of the things

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that you mentioned earlier and in the presentation

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about moving away from the org structure navigation

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towards more of the topic-based user-centric navigation,

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what were your strongest pieces of evidence

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from your research that helped you kind of

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win that internal argument about making that change?

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So I'm pretty sure our executive leadership team

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had tried to use the intranet themselves

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and had also been frustrated.

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We also had a lot of comments that we'd collected

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and we had received a lot of anecdotal feedback

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from our people.

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So the business case was pretty rapidly approved.

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And the hard part actually was then sitting down

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with our stakeholders and saying,

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particularly the ones who had a top-line navigation item,

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saying, hey, you're not gonna have that anymore.

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Your topics might actually be split over two or three.

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That was actually the hardest part.

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So we did a lot of, we started from the very top

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and got buy-in from our executive.

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And then we kind of used that weight

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to push the changes through.

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There was a little bit of resistance,

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but I think once we presented what it was going to look like

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and everyone could see that their topics

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were all mapped to different places,

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they actually weren't losing real estate.

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They were just probably going to gain more clicks

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and more prominence for their content.

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That made it a lot easier.

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Fantastic, great insight.

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And then just for a lot of the work

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that you've done there around agents,

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like do you have a, I don't know,

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one particular learning to call out around creating agents?

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Like anything else to add?

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Yeah, I would say it's never one and done.

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So you think you've captured everything

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in the backend, you've given it every piece of grounding

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that you can, you've made your instructions really explicit.

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I actually had the words in there,

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do not exceed 250 words per news article,

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and it was still spitting out thousand word essays.

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So you just have to constantly go back and tinker with it.

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So I think that's the thing,

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just getting a lot of beta feedback,

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getting people to really put it through its paces,

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ask it questions that aren't in your designated prompts

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and just road testing it

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and then seeing how you can tweak.

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It will actually, you can also use Copilot

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to give it the instructions of your agent

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and say, hey, how could we refine this?

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Cause this is a behaviour that we're seeing.

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So it can kind of self heal a bit as well.

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Got it, and I've got a question here from Dasha.

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I love how Dasha's kind of given a bit of a disclaimer

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about this one being an annoying techie SharePoint question.

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So let's see how we go.

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I might not be able to answer it, yeah.

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We'll see how we go.

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So the moving to another site

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is the solution that they're looking for as well.

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Is this essentially deleting the original

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and the flow moves to a copy,

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moves a copy to the archive site?

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Is that maybe related, might be related to the news?

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Michelle, would you like to come off mute?

526
00:23:56.790 --> 00:24:00.010
So it does actually, I think it's a straight move.

527
00:24:00.070 --> 00:24:01.170
I don't think it's a deletion

528
00:24:01.170 --> 00:24:02.590
cause we do preserve the metadata.

529
00:24:02.930 --> 00:24:04.190
That was something that was really important

530
00:24:04.190 --> 00:24:06.190
cause there's a lot of tags and a lot of stuff,

531
00:24:06.310 --> 00:24:09.270
particularly with our safety libraries or safety news.

532
00:24:09.270 --> 00:24:11.990
And so we needed to preserve that metadata.

533
00:24:12.350 --> 00:24:15.230
My understanding is the flow is actually a move,

534
00:24:15.710 --> 00:24:17.910
but I just, Michelle, if you want to come on back.

535
00:24:18.270 --> 00:24:19.190
Okay, yeah, there we go.

536
00:24:20.010 --> 00:24:21.190
Initially we put them,

537
00:24:21.470 --> 00:24:23.950
moved them into folders within the sites

538
00:24:23.950 --> 00:24:27.650
in the pages library, but that didn't help our stats.

539
00:24:27.790 --> 00:24:30.170
And we really did want to make our stats look better.

540
00:24:30.310 --> 00:24:33.110
So we've moved them into a Teams SharePoint site,

541
00:24:33.330 --> 00:24:35.330
but people still have the same access.

542
00:24:35.730 --> 00:24:37.370
The publishers can still find them

543
00:24:37.370 --> 00:24:38.510
if they want to refer to them.

544
00:24:38.510 --> 00:24:39.730
So it's just a move.
